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Question about KAYABA
I will have new shock absorvers + springs that dropped my V for 6 cm. I fond this mark "KAYABA" Who knows if thes are good, anyone expirience whit Kayaba ?? Here is a link to it ; http://www.kayabaeurope.com/ It comes because I have now lowered the V with springs from "JAMEX " but I have a original shock absorver broken at the front, So I will a new compleet set all around the V that lowered the V ;6 cm Of are there others trade marks that lowered the V for 6 cm ?? LET ME KNOW Hi HRV Styler. I've gone through the process of lowering and then raising my HRV. So here are some words of advise. If you are lowering 6cm either front or back or both and you are wanting this only for your car to look nicer. GO FOR IT. BUT if you actually want to drive the car in a "normal" sence of the word prepare yourself for some major changes. Example. 6cm will bring the rear axle low enough for the bump stops to ride hard onto the top of the rear axle.(bump stops are the egg shapped rubbers stoppers under the rear coil springs) This will give you a ride as comfortable as a farm tractor (maybe not even that comfortable). Every slight problem in the roads surface will mean a massive bill for your spinal doctor. Belive me i'm still recovering from the back problems of my HRV. Whats that i hear you say....cut off the bump stops????, ....then the under belly of the rear end will bend the hell out of your rear axle...again im talking from experience. But if you get firmer shocks the travel may have less impact but will be too rigid for the HRV. The front end is very similar, ie if you lower it too much then the upper and lower arms only have room to travel down and not up. This means that if you travel over a speed hump the suspension has room to travel down and not up. That means massive stress and flex in the metal work of your car. Worst still you may find the impact may snap or throw your coil over shock absorbers out of the equation(and out of your car too). I had my HRV lowered by an "expert" pro race car suspention company. It was lower 2.5inches front and back(may be a fraction lower at the back) thats similar to your 6cm. I only kept the car like that for a few weeks untill the front end suspention gave way. While it looked COOL and the idea of lowering would have improved handling, the reality was it did not due to restricted movement of the suspention components. If your after a complete suspention package you would need a radical re design, or the front end upper and lower arms (above and below the coil over shock assmbley) have to have re-designed pivot points to allow more clearance. Your car currently looks like its has pleanty of room for travel but when you lower it 6 cm you will realise how little the clearance is. The rear end would need more clearance between the lowest point of the coil spring and the top of the axle. Alternatively a great idea would be to source parts from other performance hondas and try a independant rear end assembly mated to the current rear 4wd diff assembly. This may work, but?????? Please do pleanty of homework before pumping pleanty of cash into an idea that may cause more harm than good. I know of lowered HRV that have no problems (but they are only lowered 1 inch). Just some free advise from the experienced one. I have now a year experience with a V that is lowered for 4 cm all arround. ( only coil-overs from Jamex ) Not really comfortable, but it is also a showcar and daily drive. And I like the lower look !! Unfortunately I broke the original shock-absorver, that's wy I am thinking of a complete set ( shock-absorvers & coilovers ) And because I had 4 cm, so I like to try now the 6 cm for the "extreme look" The 'kayaba' kit is 60 / 40 that means the car wil be the same at the back ( 4 cm.) Only the front wil lowered another 2 cm, I think it's not a problem to do that. http://img106.echo.cx/img106/1517/hrvopfullspeedrosmalen3oz.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us) I really want a kit that is 60 / 60 but I can't find it. :? Have nobody names of examples of trade marks. ?? What kit did jou have Team Gooosh ?? ( mark ) * And whe have good roads to drive in the Netherlands. :wink: :lol: I didnt use a ready made kit. I had custom made springs put in as trying to locate a ready made coil over shock for a HRV is near impossible. i had a local shop manufacture what they could and use most of what was standard. At 4cm i think your at the best ride hight now. Have you checked how much clearance you have (and i DONT mean ground clearance but clearance from the underbelly and drive and suspension components)? Let me guess. When you "broke" your front shock absorbers, was that because you fitted the lower springs only? I bet the top plate of the shock (sits under the front panel/guard) fell out and dropped all the ball bearings on the swivel plate? Yeh i did the same. The suspention guru told me there was no chance it could fall out (even though it was not bolted together) because the weight of HRV would hold down the shock assembly. The first jump i took (and i jump the HRV a lot) caused the front end to come down and the top of the shock assembly to fall out. Good luck with whatever you do! and keep us informed. I wonder if the Rev 2 HR-V has totally diferent suspension then? as it was lowered 25mm at the factory. I've had 400kg in mine, but never bottomed it out on the road. Another thing worth considering is the suspension geometry of the rear axle... The rear of the HR-V has passive steering, when one side of the suspension is lowered the wheel moves slightly to the rear, so if the car leans, the inner wheel moves forwards, and the outer wheel moves back, thus turning the axle by a few degrees in the direction of travel. You can feel this in action if you are taking a long sweeping curve at speed, and you hit a bump in the road, the rear will seem to twitch, at first it feels a bit like you are loosing the back end, but in reality it is only the rear steering. I've never lost the back end yet. I guess if you lower the ride height you will loose the rear steering, and the handling will be very diferent. KaYaBa is know as KYB in North America. I had their adjustable AGXs on my Miata (Mazda MX5), and was pleased with them. I also believe that they (KYB NA) now offers a life time warranty on their shocks. Mike Mr Dastardly, that rear end passive steering (which is so endearing to our HRV's) is not effected when lowering the car. While mine was squat flat the rear end still twitched on sweeping corners, but because the rear bump stops were riding on the axle (what i believe HRV stylers will also do when he lowers it further) it caused the rear end to over react and send the whole car side ways. Scarey but very amusing. The front shock absorber is not 'really' broken, but there is oil coming out, so they need to replace. I guess it comes from the 'wide wheels' :? And Kayaba is original placed under the Daihatsu Charade GTTI, And Kayaba make parts for motercycles, So Kayaba seems a good choise. :D :D I will wait for another one week , and than I go to the local garage to order the Kayaba kit. 8) :wink: I keep you posted. ( unfortunately, I can not make pics from installing the Kayaba kit, because my photocamera is also broken. ) from some advertisement i recall KYB claiming to be mounted on 2/3 of cars manufactured worldwide as OEM shocks. So what make are the original ones on the HR-V? Honda :-) So Kayaba is not a bad choice. :lol: 8) ( I had never heard about it. ) KYB is pretty well known in Australia. I will wait for another one week , and than I go to the local garage to order the Kayaba kit. 8) :wink: I've been in the local garage to order the kayaba kit, unfortunately the kit for the HR-V ( 60 / 40 ) will not be delivered in the Netherlands. The importer has not a HR-V on his list. ( All other parts from kayaba are not a problem.) So I must myself order a kayaba kit in Germany. :? The kayaba-kit will be delivered at my house, from Germany. :wink: :lol: ( maybe in one week ) So me = happy. :lol: :( :( :cry: Me = not happy. The Kayaba-kit order is been chancelt. They want me to pay everything before they send the kit to me. I don't like this, I will want to pay a little before delivering, but NOT the whole amount. So I have chancelt the order,........ :? I am not happy whit this, because now can I not lowered my HR-V. :evil: Mmm but don't you normally pay up front before you get the goods .. or am i missing something? seems like a normal procedure for me.. what's the difference? just a few days. no worries about the dealer moving to rio de janeiro with your money:) Normaly we pay cash on delivery ( rembours ) :wink: And that's what I like to do always. I am prepared to pay for a advance ( part of the som ) but not the whole som. you never know. ( If it is a small som of many, than it will be not a problem. :wink: ) but here we're talking about 'big' many. Heh well here everything i buy off the internet is credit card up front, you don't see the goods until you have paid for them :) You would hate being english ;) hmm well you trust their equipment yet you dont trust their marketing? :roll: :lol: hmm well you trust their equipment yet you dont trust their marketing? :roll: :lol: It will maybe confide, but I am not usual to do that, I like to have the article in my hands, before I pay it. :wink: :D And unfortunately are these products not for sale in my own country. :? PatrickDorrians quote "Heh well here everything i buy off the internet is credit card up front, you don't see the goods until you have paid for them :) You would hate being english" Most people would hate being English anyway:) agreed! so styler... what happen to your project now? am following your project closely cause still searching for the best outfits for my ride... also planning to lower it... fit in lowering springs from eibach but they don't do much to the look. please keep us updated.. thanks Maybe I sell my HR-V end of this year. :cry: :cry: I have lowered the HRV 3cm with racing springs from proflex, the stock absorbers where destroyed in 3000km, because the stock absorbers don't absorb the shocks at fast and short movements. Now I cannot find anywhere shocks for these hard springs. I found something at Kayaba which just replace the stock absorbers (KYB Excel G), so I don't know if they won't broke like the stock ones. What lowering kit from KYB are you talking about ? The handling with these springs is outstanding but stock shock absorbers does nothing, is like you are riding without shocks. PS. KYB is oem supplier for Subaru. Becarful with the swivel plate that sits under the top mounts of the shock tower. They contain ball bearings which can fall out with poorly fitted/poorly matched hight shocks. You will hear some distinct metal grinding sounds on turning if this happens. So far i havent seen a "kit" on the market. You may need to have some shocks custom made to ensure the srings are held in properly and thet they sit correctly and apply enough pressure so the swivel plates dont move. the ball bearings sound is already hearing. I changed my shocks a couple of month ago for KYB... very happy!! KYB AGX or Excel G ? also did you install them on lowered springs ? oh,, too many details,, I don't know exactly which ones ,,,hehehe And not, I haven't lowered the springs... cheers Cbr, if your going to take too long to get correct shocks, i would put back the originals asap! If the bearings have fallen out, then you need to buy new swivel plates. I agree with you that the HRV has amazing handling when lowered (like mine was 3 inches) but too much damage is caused to the car and to your back side! :lol: oh,, too many details,, I don't know exactly which ones ,,,hehehe And not, I haven't lowered the springs... cheers KYB AGX are adjustable with a knob and Excel G are not adjustable mine are not adjustable,,,,, What , you dont have an adustable knob vanessa? :wink: Thats good to know :lol: I have ordered the KYB AGX adjustable from Germany, they cost 650euro the complete set without shipping to my country. I don't know to install them on the original springs or on the lowered springs ? I would like to install them with the lowered springs as the handling cannot be compared with the stock springs, but I'm afraid not to brake the new shocks like the stock ones. They have recommended me to install it on the original springs, but on several web sites, KYB AGX is rated as high performance shocks, and KYB AGX for Honda Civic can be used with lowered springs, I don't know if this is the same for HRV. also does anyone knows if the strut bearings from CRV fits the HRV ? I think they would be much more reliable as the CRV is heavier. there is an adjustable kayaba for the HRV? where you buyed it? yes from KYB Germany |
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